Ghost. Fair use

I know. It was time for Sex and the City of Rome part 2. I haven’t got time though because my method post has been too long to write. I cannot live inside a blog all day long. So I will postpone SEX SEX SEX though you weirdos pls don’t worry. Sex will arrive soon, no doubt about that. It will probably be serious sometimes a bit (I’m not here to write a porn site) but it surely will also be erotic. Don’t worry then you pervs, and stay tuned.. 😉

I was lucky enough to be saved in extremis by this e-mail exchange which happened not long ago. This Indonesian ex student of mine wrote me this peculiar letter. She is of Malaysian-Chinese descent. Here’s what she said:

“I just quarrelled with her again, because of her phone call. She calls me every day to check if I get back home on time. I got angry and we started to quarrel. I asked her: why do you always call me lately? She said she just missed me. But I told her it was an excuse, it was because of one of her bad dreams about ghosts. And I asked her: did you perceive there is a ghost alive at my home? My mother did not say anything…”

“Another time she firmly suggested me to stay at home after I had just informed her I wanted to take a 3-days holiday to have some break from job stress. She objected. I told her: do you want me to become crazy? Then I hang up the phone abruptly”.

“You know, they believe so much in ghosts in Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia. She thinks I am protected at home because of these Buddha’s little statues”.

I replied to her:

“Dear ***. I hope you do not believe in all this silly stuff. I have something to tell you. A guy from our Roman rione had a friend, his best friend – he told me. When they were very young they promised to each other to come visit which of the two was still alive if one of them died first. Anyway, it was like a game, but not so much after all, since they were both actually very determined, if anything like that happened. I mean, the one who’d die earlier would really try to visit his still-alive friend if he happened to die first.”

“Well, guess what. Hazard (or Fortune) decreed that actually this guy’s best friend had a terrible accident and died. So the poor fellow was totally scared to death because he KNEW that, if ghosts really existed, his best friend would definitely come visit him.

He could not sleep for MONTHS, you can well imagine.

But his friend never showed up.”

Italian version

17 thoughts on “Ghosts in Asia

  1. “You know, they believe so much in ghosts in Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia. She thinks I am protected at home because of Buddha’s little statues”.

    **Manofroma, You’re right, yes it’s true that asians like indonesian, Thai, Malaysian believe so much in ghosts, and Chinese too!

    In China, there are so many ghosts stories. Why people believe in buddhism? At first, it reliefs their soul like people believed in Jesus in west, and some people would think that the buddha would protect them, as we can see there are tons of movies, books talked about these stuffs. That’s why people in here like to go to temples, to light up bum sticks for the buddhas, to beg the buddha to protect himself/herself good fortune etc…I can tell most of the people in China have a buddha desk which serves for the buddha at home…there are some buddha statues on it, and they used to light up bum sticks, served them with fruits everyday. Sometimes, they will burn some papers (which made like golds, jewellery, cars, watches..etc..all made in paper!) for people who died. People believe that when they burn those stuffs, “they” will get it in ANOTHER WORLD lol , This world is what we say “HELL”…..

    In west, people would believe there is a heaven and hell, bad people will go to hell, and good people will go to heaven. In China, when people died, they all will go to hell, and their soul will have different fates, which much depends you did good or bad things in previous life. If you do something good in previous life, you would be good in your next life.

    In turns, bad people might become an animal or something even worse than animals in the next life, bad people cannot become a human in the next life.. even they do, they will have a harsh life..lol..

    There is another case, when people who died but they have something hasn’t finished yet or he/she wished to finish before died (or something which is more aggresive….mm…that person died angrily, or was murdered…,..the stories are much much horrible lol), their soul will still stay around …..that we called “ghost”, sometimes, the relatives or some people who are linked to the ghosts through the dream…that is similar to that conversation as you said. It is not kidding. Some people really believe ghosts are existed, so do I, but if you don’t do anything bad, ghosts would not find you lol…haha.. that is what i think and always bear in mind, otherwise, i would scare like that man lol, and get mad already lol.

    I seldom go to watch scary movies, though i know it’s not true and it made by human, but once i saw them, i used to imagine of it…..that’s a problem, the horrible scenes used to appear in my mind made me really very scared..therefore, I never watch the ghosts movies again no matter i have companied or not while watching it.

    I remembered that one of my friend told me she saw something abnormal in Thai hotel when she had holiday with her family…..One night, she and her sister slept in the same room, light was off. My friend said she had a horrible night without sleep….That night, she was sleeping, and she awoke abruptly and perceived someone switched on the light in bathroom, my friend wondered maybe her sister went to bathroom…besides, she heard some sounds from tv…mm…(when i wrote this here, i have to stop to imagine the scene.. ) my friend just hid inside the blanket till next morning… and she asked her sister, did she go to the bathroom last night and switched on the tv.?.. her sister said NO…her sister also said she heard some sounds..and she also hide under the blanket too…oh..it scared me when i heard that..not sure was her sister wanted to play joke with my friend or not.. but it sounds true lol.. That’s why my mother not allow me to go to Thailand….

    I have heard many ghosts stories…in Indonesia and Thailand. haha..i better not imagine it too much, otherwise, i can’t fall asleep tonight lol…

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  2. Wow, this is a great and long comment AutumnSnow, full of details about China and parts of Asia!! I think our readers, especially non Asian, can get a lot of info about beliefs and religion from out there. I think this blog is starting to get pretty international. This was my aim, after all. I am so glad about it. Thank you Snow from Autumn. I will provide you with a cumulative reply as soon as I can (you told me so many things it will take me some time….).

    Good night sweet woman (such a gentle name you have…) who are talking beyond the oceans where thousands of whales are chanting their deep songs (in a hurry, before they kill ’em all.) You send me words from mighty China. Well, I guess in a future world where Cindia rules, we Italians might still be utilised as cooks (just for variety in addition to your already refined dishes) or opera singers or .. I do not know … I will think about it.

    Man Of Roma
    Who is There
    No Matter Where

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  3. Sex will arrive soon. It will. No doubt about it.
    That’s what I’ve been hearing for the past 3-5 years. All I ask is “Mera number kab aayega?” [When will my number come?] 😛

    As for the ghosts, my mom used to tell me that there used to be ghosts and all and they fled because electricity is now everywhere and ghosts flee electricity. Ghosts and India walk hand in hand, like one of our books is also about a ghost – Raja Vikram and the Betal [Baital Pachisi]

    Me, I’m afraid of anything that isn’t human. Especially the dark but not much lately. I even picked up the courage to read Dracula [was boring at points] and other vampire tales. [A Vampiress is a regular feature in dreams too! lol. Possibly because I read about 6 Vampire books straight. You might see me or Ish joking about the Geek Wrestler and the Bi-sexual Vampiress or Vampire chick. lol]

    Still the debate stands in balance. Neither can we prove that they do not exists nor can they prove that they exist. You should see the sacrifices they give here to the goddess on Dusshera [it was yesterday incidentally], lol.

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  4. @Don E
    You are too kind Don E. It is a hobby, writing. I love it. The thing is this blog is getting very complex also as for the ideas it contains, so it is even more time-consuming than I thought.
    I am still working as an IT expert and I have some other business going on. I might think to totally drop the Italian version, or to make not a one-every-three-days post as of now, but a one-every-five-days, or a weekly thing. This is not leaving my new friends. Quite the contrary. Quality (and readability) could increase, and my blood pressure decrease lol. Thanks a lot anyway dude (I do not know exactly what dude means, but I like the word.)

    @Ashish
    Ah ah, you are really something. Well, I am too old for that but there are millions of women around the world waiting and waiting. They might get VERY impatient. Why let them wait so long? Why let them get nervous? Internet tools are not only powerful for making web pages or expanding viruses, I believe…

    >Neither can we prove that they do not exists nor can they prove that they exist.
    Of course. The fact that this dead guy didn’t visit his friend doesn’t prove anything. Maybe when you are a ghost you change your perspective totally, or maybe you cannot get back to the real world, unless *special* conditions occur etc. the list could go on and on, though I am not a specialist in ghosts and I do not like scary movies so much. I like good sleep better

    >You should see the sacrifices they give here to the goddess on Dusshera [it was yesterday incidentally], lol.
    Wow … pls tell me more …..

    >You might see me or ish joking about Geek Wrestler and the Bi-sexual Vampiress or Vampire chick
    I have to get back to that and understand better

    @AutumnSnow
    Cumulative answer will arrive. BIG. Be so sweet as to wait, AutumSnow …be so sweet to wait….you mean China to me. I didn’t dare hope one of you got here.
    Regards to a lady from over the oceans.

    (Don E, Ashish: ladies request a kind touch… and this girl or woman seems so sweet. Only she asks from me a big effort. I will try not to disappoint her)

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  5. I heard ghosts scare hell out of people but this post on ghosts proves the contrary.I think Ashish provided the Indian angle to ghosts theory.As an atheist I don’t believe in ghosts but I love reading Stephen King’s horror stories.

    PS*Your comments on my blog-I don’t think they are harsh.That’s your point of view and no hard feelings here.Keep going.

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  6. @xntricpundits
    Ok, only when I posted that comment I was absent-minded and didn’t know it was you. You Indian guys sometimes use nicks so difficult for me to remember lol. As I told you, sometimes old people can have …like bursts of temper. Magister had during the last years of his life. The thing is, I just LOVED your comment on bookworms etc. so, checking in my diary *on* this blog (yes, I keep one, to *try* to be more exact on things) I felt so SORRY for what I wrote you. If time (and Fortune) allow I will keep commenting on your blog, because we have similar interests. We really do.

    Ashish’s comments are always very …..getting well to the point, though from …unpredictable directions. I like this.

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  7. Why let them get nervous? Internet tools are not powerful only for making web pages or expanding viruses, I believe…
    I’m too lazy. lol. Plus things like social networking sites don’t get my attention for long and I get bored easily. If there’s nothing new, I’m out. My family says I’m hard to please.. lol.

    Wow … pls tell me more …..
    There are age old traditions to sacrifice animals on certain days, I’m sure you’d have heard. Well the place where I’m living now, the people make a yearly sacrifice on Dusshera. This was a small buddhist colony before the hindu’s came and drove them out to make a village and the Buddhist dude’s cursed them or something of that sort. People began to die, they called the gods to help… well technically they asked the advice of the priest who suggested them to offer a sacrifice on dusshera and thats it. Sounds like a movie plot! lol. But there are lots of such in the district, my dad’s village for instance. Same plot, different day.

    I have to get back to that and understand better
    Lol, well I had a dream about a vampiress and stuff which I posted on the blog. Ishmeet and Sha gave it a title and that was born! lol.

    Ashish’s comments are always very …..getting well to the point, though from …unpredictable directions. I like this.
    What’s that supposed to mean? Sort of like an RPG where you go doing your own thing yet remain true to the quest? 😀

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  8. @Ashish
    You don’t know what you are telling me, you do not know what your telling me, dear Ashish. These sacrifices, these curses….it is like the Romans being still alive. Ok, I am a living fossil of the past, no doubt about that, but you are young people (!), not mummies. The majority of the population is young over there! And you were scorning half of India deeming it still stuck in Dark Ages. Are you sure the so-called Dark Ages are such a disadvantage? Of course they can be, they are in some way, like here. But think of the advantages too. The depth, the complexity, the lack of this void that is killing the West who is running runnig but knowing not where.
    You really make me want to move and live in your country where what makes/made life worthwhile and profound is still throbbing with life (and hormones), where people are still smiling on the street, while here so many are depressed. Only problem being the climate: my body-temperature-regulation system being not as it used to be …. 😦

    PS
    I went to India (and Ceylon) many times. One day in Bombay I saw this executive getting into what seemed a firm building. Ok, it is at least 20 years ago. This guy was elegant and refined in his suit. One little detail: he was carrying a sword with sensational designs on it. I was sooo impressed. Can you imagine (even 20 years ago) an American businessman entering Wall Street building with a sword? Wow.

    One last point, and I am asking this to ALL my readers: was this sword an indication (or metaphor) of less complexity (in synapses etc.)? Was it a sign (or metaphor) of being anachronistic, superseded? Is Cindia obsolescent? Are Europeans obsolescent? Is the West obsolescent?

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  9. Are you sure the so-called Dark Ages are such a disadvantage?
    I did not say they were, but we have left out the good and embraced the bad. Sacrifices and curses are not the bone I’m picking, they are part of an ancient religion and even though I do not believe in any specific religion, I don’t think I have any right to comment on someone’s faith. I am talking about RIGHTS. Rights to live, to speak and to die. These are the rights being curtailed by these dark ages [as I termed them]. For I think if I am God’s creature, I still have to have some rights of my own to do what I want, and not some priest in a temple telling me that I can’t do that… People ignore, but in the rural parts, people are beaten, killed or banished…

    It stands though that I who am in a land that is mysterious to you, will think Italy a paradise, while you will think the same of India. Nothing is paradise unless you make it so. 🙂

    The guy you saw with the sword [or well a long knife] was it girded at his belt and was he wearing a turban? If so, he must be a sikh and they are required to wear that. I don’t know much but you might ask Ishmeet about that. 🙂

    [I may be saying loads of negative things about my current living area in the mountains, but this is what I love. I hate big cities. Can’t keep the pessimist out of my writing! 🙂 ]

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  10. This is my *last* reply on this post, or I will never write the next one lol. Plus I’m sorry for the sweet Chinese woman. You Indian guys have devoured me: people will start thinking I am gay.

    Yes, he had a turban, I will ask Ish about it. Of course I agree with you. The bad part of any ancient tradition is that same old song of the happy few and the masses that can be abused and exploited in many ways (by priests, politicians etc.).

    Our dear Roman Res Publica (= Common Wealth) while starting to rule the (known to us) world was not so Publica after all, two hundred families roughly having ALL in their hands, not matter what ancient Greek historians (or Washington & company) said about the perfection of the Roman constitution. Well, guess what: it has not changed AT ALL inhere. Not at all. Another permanence, disturbing though this time.

    And at this *right* moment people are REVOLTING: guess again with what: BLOGS!! (amazing!!), since they can bypass power-controlled mass media, Beppe Grillo – our hero blogger – having being able to mobilize 100,000 people in one snap, which selfish Italian politicians (not able to mobilize even one dog and two cats) cannot but consider it a danger. A great danger indeed.

    So they backfired 2-3 days ago trying to pass a bill to BAN blogs totally (in a subtle way: Italians can kill with style, as Mafia teaches). So huge blogs protests again etc. etc.
    I’ll stop. Petty selfish Italian politics being disgusting, me watching, with a bitter smile …

    I know India is even older and has even more ancient contradictions. But it is starting to GROW tremendously (which made our economy sort of collapse lol: well partially, more China than you). I also know this is creating LOTS of additional problems and further inequalities/unhappiness, not only good things. I know, my friend.

    But such a huge process cannot but be like that. So you young people have to fight to make this process better. This doesn’t mean taking the sword lol (or machine guns, no, no, no). Pls do not be pessimistic, dear Ashish (you probably just need a GIRL, lol). Life and India is in the hands of guys like you. Try just to be useful even in little things (your excellent blog is, for example).

    You have so many local great Magisters (from Gandhi on) you can get sublime inspiration from. The way you liberated yourself from British colonialism is totally *unique* and the world is still chanting his praise about the absolute dignity (and depth) of it all. Fight and modernize India. But do not betray your ancient soul.

    PS
    Ah ah ah, how silly of me. I am contradicting myself. How can you lose your identity: great civilisations never die.
    :-)))))

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  11. This is my *last* reply on this post, or I will never write the next one lol
    LOL. Well I’m replying anyway. 😀

    They banned blogspot overhere last year and had to remove the ban because people revolted with blogs and emails that the ministry was flooded. The ban was removed in 2 days. lol. In this age of information, it’s easy to do that.

    Fight and modernize India.
    That is the motto everywhere. Gandhigiri [Gandhi ideals with a modern name] and a “Why should I?” attitude is what has brought India forward in a sudden surge. I think that with the fight going on using pens, mouths and the internet, the system is finally being shaken. Like the caste quota thing for instance. 🙂 Yes, the internet is having a worldwide impact and its more better than worst. 🙂

    Pls do not be pessimistic, dear Ashish (you probably just need a GIRL, lol).
    Heehee. Well, I use that pessimism to question my own ideas and build around the loopholes to make it more formidable, but it slips into my writing once in a while. A GIRL + ME = never going to happen in the near future. I can’t get along with incessant questioning which is a common trait in girls. lol. Anyway, I’ll find somebody sometime! 😀

    Have a great day, Man of Roma. Your blog gets my brain to work. 🙂

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  12. @Ashish
    Yes, the system is shaking, Internet being somewhat the shaker. Very naive of me by the way to talk about this Beppe Grillo and blogs revolt here in Italy against selfish power as such a *huge novelty*, me being such a newbie in blog culture, I’ll admit.

    Thank you also so much for saying my blog is making your mind work. You do not know how much this can mean to a teacher. Also your words (and lots of other commenters’) keep my mind working so much (though how can I reply to ALL of you? 😦 ), and this blog too, tremendously, making my rationality coming back again, problem being it has been such a quick process people around me (who know nothing about my blog) are starting to get terribly worried about my mental health lol.

    Anyway, since I started, one of the goals was to postpone Dementia (or Alzheimer) as much as I could (being something, Dementia, that is in some-people-of-my-family genes- not Alzheimer, Gods be thanked; well, maybe it’s just old-age laziness – one thing, any-age laziness, I surely do not have).

    Well, let us add that, Ancient-Roman-like, I should have kept silent on this post comments’ space as I promised (or menaced). The thing is I am contemporary Roman-like, something having changed since then.

    Not ALL though. Or this blog would have no reason to exist.

    All the Best

    PS
    I also had to reply to Autumn Snow. This surely is Roman-like. It surely is. I am pretty sure it is. No doubt about it.

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  13. @AutumnSnow

    >I can tell most of the people in China have a buddha desk which serves for the buddha at home…

    Interesting… I’ll check the percentage of Buddhist people there …. Always thought Communism had wiped out religion(s) over there, like it *actually* did in Russia more or less (I know by direct experience). Only, Russia was communist since 1917, while China since 1948, if I recall well. This could make a difference.
    Pretty superficial comment on my side, I know. I have to think/check it over a bit. Sorry China. I know not only time counts, roots sometimes counting much more..

    (pssst…I will brush up my html back a bit, so I can use Italic, hyperlinks etc. making my comment-bouncing-on-comment dialectic space less… eye-displeasing)

    >In China, when people died, they all will go to hell, and their soul will have different fates, which much depends you did good or bad things in previous life.

    So only Hell is there? Gosh, this is terribly interesting, problem being what you guys (men + women) actually mean by *hell*. You are so far, different and …sphinxlike (thence marble-faced lol, in a good sweet sweet sense though, as I said before: you do not like to show your feelings much, nothing wrong about it, gentle woman, really nothing wrong about it)

    > (Ghosts) when people who died but they have something hasn’t finished yet or he/she wished to finish before died (or something which is more aggresive….mm…that person died angrily, or was murdered…,..the stories are much much horrible lol), their soul will still stay around …..that we called “ghost” …sometimes the relatives or some people who are linked to the ghosts through the dream…but if you don’t do anything bad, ghosts would not find you lol…haha.. that is what i think and always bear in mind, otherwise, i would scare like that man lol, and get mad already lol.

    My dear sweet (and mysterious) AutumnSnow (by the way, what part of China are you from?), this seems to be a very good contribution to the Ghosts debate, yes, since, if it is true also for other parts of Asia – as you seem to suggest – it sheds some light in my view, it surely does in my view (a view very narrow-angled as far as ghosts, I have to admit lol).

    All the best, really,
    To Snow from Chinese Autumn.
    This guy from Rome eternal,
    He being here, he being there.
    Though probably being nowhere.

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  14. Im held up in thoughts that make me scare only amidst darkness. As i went through the data given by u, its really making me reach my normalcy. thanks

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  15. @Niduna
    Happy to hear my writing can be of some help. Pls don’t feel scared. In the darkness there is no danger, except ghosts or monsters created by our own imagination.
    Welcome to my blog, Niduna.

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