Who are we, how do we get our gender identity? Click for credits

We were having a conversation over at Richardus’ coffee shop together with Dafna, Geraldine, Sledpress, Cheri, Cyberquill and Paul Costopoulos on several topics, from Alan Turing (his mathematical genius and homosexuality) to ethology – founded by the Austrian Nobel prizes Konrad Lorenz and Karl von Frisch and by the Dutch-born British Nobel prize Nikolaas Tinbergen – and up to studies comparing animal and human behaviour (human ethology).


At one point, referring to the sad case of Turing, Richardus observed:

“The story certainly taught me to accept wholly those who are harmless but different. This quiet, troubled, self-effacing, honourable genius leaves a great legacy.”

[For the sake of discussion] I replied:

“Most of those who are different are harmless. We often assume a priori that what is different is harmful. An evolutionary defence mechanism I guess. In stone age we lived in small tribes and whenever we stumbled upon someone very different 90% he / she was dangerous. Such behaviours are not easily erased but they can be overcome in some way and they should. … blah blah”.

Alan Turing
Alan Turing. Image via Wikipedia

And I mentioned ethology (a kind of evolutionary psychology.)

Sledpress: “Oh I want to know more. Some of the most enlightening things I have ever read have involved the concept of hard wired brain responses to the environment.”

Dafna: “dear MoR, thank you for the term human ethology. i will research the topic. it may shed some light on my own condition. is it a respected field?”

MoR: “Dafna,‘respected’ is a relative concept. Who is respecting? K. Lorenz and the rest are more studied in Europe than in the US for example.”

I am convinced many clashes between men and women would be avoided (or sort of) if we understood that the two genders are hard-wired differently and if each gender studied the ‘other wiring’ since school.”

K. Lorenz shared the 1973 Nobel Prize with N. Tinbergen and K. von Frisch for their studies on social behaviour patterns in animals

Paul Costopoulos: “You mean men and women are different? Hide MoR, you are in danger.”

Sledpress: “Good Lord we all know men and women are different. Women don’t kick their used underwear under the bed.”


Love, love, love
Is just like a Settlers Powder
Two little packets of different hue
Men in the white
Women in blue
It’s all right if you keep them apart
The only danger is
As soon as you put them together
FZZZZ – they start to fizz.”

Sledpress: “Actually, to be perfectly serious, I think it’s important to remember that we are more alike than we are different. If you want me to throw something, just mention the name of John Gray, that ‘Men Are From Mars Women Are From Venus’ guy. He even seems to know how I like to have sex. He thinks.”

Simone de Beauvoir
Simone de Beauvoir. Via Wikipedia. Click for image source and credits

MoR: “I agree with you Sled. ‘We are more alike than we are different’ as you say. Don’t we belong to the same species??

Let us leave alone those male imbeciles who think they know women better than women themselves: they don’t.

When for ex. Simone de Beauvoir affirms that “one is not born a woman but one becomes one” … as if being feminine (or masculine) were a sheer cultural construct, well, well, well …

[I wanted to add (but didn’t): as if, had I been forced to play with dolls, now I’d chase boys … actually it’s like I were (kinda) forced into dolls, with two sisters and 8 female cousins ALL of us often living together. That is why my next writing will consist of a poem I wrote some time ago in honour of my ‘eldest brother’, ie my best male friend from the age of 4 till 18]

Man and Woman, less different than we think, but different nonetheless. Click for image attribution

I mean, we men have penises, beards, different silhouettes etc… Women have vaginas, swollen breasts, less body hair as a tendency, different silhouettes (God be blessed). Last but not least different DNA chromosome structures (XX-XY).

How can we assume behaviour is unrelated to such physical differences and only culturally determined. We need evidence etc. etc.

Which brings us again to ethology among the rest which by comparing dozens of different species (there including humans) – as Darwin suggested – also as for their sexual behaviours etc. etc. …”


Ora nel prossimo post la poesia al mio fratello maggiore.

Roba da anni 50s-60s? Certo, ricorda quel periodo. Vedrete però voi.

39 thoughts on “Over at Richardus’. Are Men and Women Born Different or Do They Become Such?

  1. Interesting and I look forward to the discussion.

    But I think any discussion of whether men and women are different ignores (and trivializes) individual differences and that is really what makes the world and relationships interesting and challenging.


    1. I agree Thomas but the point here is maybe different. Let me wade through it a bit.

      Assuming as I read here the world population now totals 6.9 billion, divided into 2 sub-groups made of 3.45 billion women and 3.45 billion men (figures here arbitrary); and agreeing that the 6.9 billion entire group is made of totally different individuals – even if brothers and sisters -, the questions here imo are:

      1) do the 2 sub-group members have common behavioural gender traits among themselves (the women with all other women and the men with all other men)?

      2) And if so, what of such traits is innate and what is due to upbringing?

      Big words theme, I know

      😦 😦 🙂 😯


      1. Interesting questions, indeed. I’m recalling and article from last Christmas telling parents not to buy pink things for little girls because it was creating a mindset in the girls’ minds that they should prefer pink to toolbelts.


        1. Yeah, I was preaching that too in the years between 60s-70s. At that time, at least here, we thought ALL was due to upbringing. Both factors, hard-wired and soft-wired, play their role instead probably.


  2. Men and women share the same basic humanity and values, yes. However they feel differently, do not learn the same way and exercise and play differently, generally speaking, there are exceptions that confirm the rule.
    Have you observed how baby boys run and baby girls jump? How baby boys tend to wander afar while baby girls keep close to their parents?
    In school boys need to move and even fight a bit. Girls are more subdued and reflexive. While boys lash out with punches and kicks, girls seem more amiable but pinpricks can hurt, when numerous enough, just as much as if not more than a punch on the nose.
    In Québec some attribute the heavy drop out rate (34% in some areas) from school amongst boys to the fact that since boys and girls share the same classroom, boys have been expected to behave more like girls I.E. not to fight, not to speak loud and to be more civil.
    My wife witnessed many incidents when the girls taunted the boys till they exploded. Then the boys were punished…but not the girls behind the acting out. The boys felt being treated unfairly and the ball started rolling.
    The same way I have been often confronted with cases when a boy and a girl were arrested together for the same offense. The police charged the boy but referred the girl to help organization for behavioural problems???
    In the work place men will strongly disagree then go for a beer together. Women will civilly disagree and not talk to one another for years.
    A case in point, in one of my managing positions, from 1982 to 1988, the group had had severe differences over wether to unionize or not. The union won, that was in 1970, 12 years before I came in. After it was done, the boys rallied and some of the opponents even became union officers. When I left for a mandate in another department, some of the girls still were ennemies and not on speaking terms, 18 years later.
    Alike, yes, but also different.


    1. Naturally, Paul, it’s our personal experience hence deprived of scientific value.

      For my part I noticed during my high-school 15 years teaching activity long ago that boys needed more physical movement and were less fit than females to sit quiet at a desk and concentrate. The girls were intellectually superior, showed more concentration until 16-17 maybe, then the difference between the genders diminished in terms of performance, but they reasoned in a different way.

      A constant that hit me no matter the age was calligraphy, smoother in the girls, less smooth in the boys.

      As a consultant in the IT field I later worked with many companies and it appeared to me too that the men tended to somewhat join forces while the women more or less competed. Hard to say though because I have experienced some cases of great women’s team work as well.

      I was always convinced that women have a greater understanding of things sorta mysterious to us men, such as psychology in human relations, which – psychology, relations, people – seem to interest them more. They seem to me also more perceptive as for non-verbal communication. It is hard to conceal emotions to them, although I’d say that if they notice in people things we don’t, also the opposite is true.

      Flavia and I did good teamwork when meeting clients for our company – we stumbled upon some ruthless sharks btw – and after we had met them, by the exchange of our impressions we were able to proceed is a somewhat safer way (we had luck too). I mean we were complementary and this helped us a lot. Isn’t this whole gender ‘difference’ about complementarity after all, hence resulting in better chances of survival?

      In the past women were also witches and Sibyls. Men acknowledged and respected powers they were deprived of. Sometimes they feared /fear this woman’s side, and history unfortunately provides evidence of horrible reactions to such fear.

      I always say a woman’s feelings are more complex, which results into both a virtue and a flaw in my opinion. Women can love more but for this reason they are also more susceptible to negative feelings, such as envy, jealousy etc. Their hate seems also greater to me, as you also noticed in your job.

      When Aeneas is leaving Dido who loves him desperately and sails away from Carthage with his fleet, the Trojan men’s hearts are grieved but also fearful. Since – as Virgil says (Aen, V, 6):

      Notumque furens quid femina posit

      (It is known what a woman, made furious by love, is capable of)

      After all in fairy tales too the really bad bad ones – or the really good good ones – are always the women. The men can be stronger, more daring, can be even heroes, but their emotional capabilities are inferior, which btw makes them going to battle (or hunting) and there kill with less remorse.

      Update: my take in any case.


      1. I think these discussions always get me cranky because I so identify with the boys who cannot sit still (a constant reprimand when I was in school), and I hated being “pinked” so much that I once stamped on a swan-shaped pink party favor — the boys got blue favors, the girls pink, right? Then I felt sorry for the swan and mended it. So I guess I am schizoid. But no gayer than your tomboy aunt. A boy would probably not have fixed the toy swan, but I tend to like the kind of boy who would.

        Likewise, I could not take the goddam taunting of rotten little girls (in my view all children of course are rotten) and used to routinely beat up people who picked on me, and I mean beat, or push them across the schoolroom complete with their little one-unit desk and right out the door into the hall. Little girls are not supposed to do that, so there was great consternation. If boys did it then “boys are boys,” very little concern, kind of the reverse of what Paul describes happening when young people get into juvenile court. I loathed being told to act like a little lady — I sensed I was being told to be a doormat and a decoration and to shut up and think pink thoughts. To this day the word “feminine” creeps me out. Even thinking it long enough to type it makes me want to wash my brain with soap.

        I do think a lot of subtle signaling goes on — approval of doing things that are “right” for a child’s gender, a smile here, a word of praise or discouragement there — and people don’t even realize it is happening, but children are watching for all these tiny cues to learn what will make their parents happy and thus increase their chances of survival. Somehow that bypassed me and I can think of several reasons. I know I was my father’s only son, but he was kind of a wimp, so that alone is not enough to account for someone like me.


        1. I understand, Sled. I was told to act like a lady all my life even when a little girl. My mother would make me exit a room and reenter properly, i.e. close the door behind me softly, etc. It became so ingrained. Only the park was associated with physical freedom and no decorum, unless I bumped into her.

          It’s amazing how much order is imposed on girls and so much protection. I always thought boys had it easier.


      2. @Sledpress
        (plus Geraldine and Jenny)

        Another gem of yours Sled plus a great testimony of how gender roles can be reinforced within a culture, such as the US, which appears to us: young, solid, with clear ideas on how things should be (pros and cons of course as you say yourself).

        The Italian culture is much more schizoid. There is ‘subtle signaling’ and conditioning here too (where there is not?) but we have more freedom for the simple reason we are *CONFUSED* – forget the Pope, here he’s just political altho the ‘Catholic religion’ is another thing.

        Not the only confused today, but our confusion is peculiar. If we have to believe in statistics, from Latium (that includes Rome of course) up to the Alps (2/3 of Italy) there’s a pro capite wealth greater than in France or Germany. But, such figures drop because of the ‘other’ third, which is mostly third world, period.

        Altho as I said IIIW of a special kind: since given our history it implies – pls be patient – the Greco-Romans especially, plus a bit of Arabs, Phoenicians, Normans etc.

        [Don’t start me with our PM. He’s from the North but he trolls in the South areas in any possible sense]

        [Drinking Sangiovese]

        This blog wouldn’t exist weren’t for the South (or for the almost disappeared true Romans): an echt cultural reservoire as I try to demonstrate in this MOR blog.

        III world, ok. There are great things like these sumptuous poems I am about to post written a few years ago in ancient Greek (tho corrupted) and collected from very old peasants in Apulia: they almost rival the classical 2500-years-ago great Greek literary beauty. Wait and see. A friend of friends did the job, I had the honour to meet him, Brizio Montinaro (Il tesoro delle parole morte, Argo 2009.) Brizio worked with Zeffirelli, Pasolini etc. and he learned ancient Greek from his mother!

        I may have shifted. Gender, ok. Many men in the South (hence also Italian Americans?) use more perfume that women, kiss each other a lot (Mafiosi also do) and go arm in arm at stroll time (which embarrasses me, we not doing it in Rome, but I have do it when with them).

        Around Naples we still have Dionysian dances (no orgies tho). Watch here:

        And the rationale *here*.

        And we’ve even got religious (!) ceremonies in front of churches where traditional *femminielli* (remnants of Greco-Roman homosexuals and transgender: hermaphrodites) gather before churches ( = temples) and celebrate weird rites with their faces all painted as women prostitutes: can you imagine THAT in Virginia, in front of a church? – , a bit like aliens sent directly to us from ancient Greece by drunk gods.

        South people being poorer & more prolific invade the rest of the country (which risks to split like Belgium for this reason: I’ll then belong to the South damn!). All this makes us happier, livelier, more loaded with crime, surely deeper (the great literature being from the South for ex), and, let me repeat it, verrueckt.

        Btw when North Germans come here (South Germans or Austrians being different) they exclaim horrified: WHAT IS THIS CONFUSION! Ordnung hier! Ooooordnuuuuuung! 😉

        I love the Germans. Very much. No matter if from South or North or if Catholic or Protestant.


        1. Oh, I love that clip. I want to be the girl in the tiered skirt. What a shame that there are so many people who aren’t dancing, though!!!

          I am sort of an organized person myself but I know what you mean about North German ORDNUNG and I love to see their heads spin when they can’t find any. And as for the church ceremonies, Virginia NEEDS these people. In fact I think there are gay groups in this state who might just stage something like that, say in front of a Unitarian church which would allow it.


          1. I said Virginia (aren’t you from there) but this would create consternation anywhere except the Neapolitan area. I absolutely adore Naples – imagine that my father from the Waldensian Alps hence racist vs the South like all people out there, he loved Naples though. A mystery.

            But Campania – except Salerno, Amalfi, Sorrento etc. – is going down the drain because of organized crime and total lack of ordnung.

            What a pity! During the Renaissance Naples was the biggest (as population but not only) capital of Europe (forget Rome Paris London: Naples btw had a state of its own too).

            Well, Christian capital. Since Ottoman Istanbul was the biggest one of that time.

            *Here* (second post half) my humble tribute to Naples, also with a not-mine beautiful song. Ah Naples, Naples, Neapolis, Νέα Πόλις, the Greek cousin of Rome!

            In those Hellenic areas, lush with climate and fertility – where later Hannibal the hero went into softness and found his Cannae (as Livy – and Andreas – observed) – the Romans first met the Greeks. The Romans! A dour folk from Latium with peasant’s endurance (and sharpness) – they encountered brilliance, and beauty, which will change Western history forever.

            [And mind you I’m not that senile not to realise what a mushy moron I am getting: an anxiety, such decadence combined with enough lucidity to watch the process occurring (beloved *Magister’s* words), I cannot well phrase in a Hyperborean language. Non ho dubbi al riguardo.]


          2. Well if one isn’t expected to be prettily graceful, I could handle it.

            Roma, I am piqued at the thought that the only organized people in the area are the criminals. Next thing you know, they’ll have a government.


          3. Oh, I wish we could all dance together, Jenny! Although better not THAT dance.

            Sled, there are rumours they have already.


  3. Why the adjective “swollen” breasts?
    Right there we see one of the main differences between men and women.
    Did you say “erect” penises?

    It’s all fine, no criticism here at all—I just think we women tend to view sex as an emotional connection; whereas men, look at any set of swollen breasts and they are “there”.

    Men are very visual in their notions of sex.
    Women, perhaps, more visual in their imaginations.

    I’m sure I going to jumped on for this comment.

    (Shhh….cheri….duck and cover)


    1. Cheri, why should you duck and cover? You are quite right but you did not take into account the Italianness and Romanness of MoR.
      North American men may think the same way but will never write it.


    2. @Cheri

      You see Cheri? You confirm we are different. Hard to understand each other at times. I’ll now grope in unknown territory a bit (ie what can be in your woman’s reaction to my words).

      In my Italian English Cheri, what I meant was simply, we men have breasts too, and teats, but they are smaller ie not swollen, I don’t think it can be denied.

      Nothing related to a sort of machismo inverted, like going around having a penis erect … no, no. no.

      Maybe I got it all wrong, maybe it is just we Romans, as Paul says, who tend to call a spade a spade.

      Or, I may be wrong again, here maybe a bit of an (American?) stereotype about the Italian male? – most of the Italians you know out there being South Italians. I am different from most Italian Americans (but not totally different.)

      In any case, thus being said, one concept should be clear I guess (call it ‘pre-Christian’ if you will):

      Here, from the Greeks and the Romans onwards, sublime and bluntness (scurrility?) always went and go together (in men and women alike). Think of Mozart (sublime heir of what is *classical*), or of Catullus, the real thing together with our most sacred bard Horace – from Venosa, Lucania: even him), or of most Greek ancient literature and myth (should we talk about sex between humans and animals?).

      Or think of the Italian women in the 1950s-1960s Italian black and white movies

      Here’s a true Roman from the 1940s-1950s-1960s, Anna Magnani:

      Mamma Roma, the above 1962 film directed by Pasolini, an internationally recognized master-work, was considered immoral due to swearing and was not projected in the US for a long time due to this reason, if I’m not wrong (had problems in Italy too but we could watch it at any rate)


  4. Hi Man of Roma,
    You are the only Italian man I know so I can’t compare north or south. We have a new Italian cobbler in town and when I brought in my favourite boots for repair he offered me half his lunch and played Puccini for me. So I sat down and enjoyed both. An American cobbler would never have done that. Viva the Italians!

    BTW: Translate what Anna Magnani in Mamma Roma is saying, please. It sounds robust. I’m laughing here.


    1. I will. Tomorrow dear Geraldine. Now it is time for bed and serious reading. Thanks for visiting here again. I had missed your comments quite a lot.

      Viva Eire!!

      PS. Robust is the word. The force of the true Roman woman is terrific, perhaps superior to man’s. *Here* some more Anna Magnani, and *here* too in case you or someone else wants to know more about the archetypal Roman woman in some way.


      1. MoR, I went to the above link given. Interesting. It is not necessary to translate here. Thanks. 🙂


      2. Ok Geraldine. As you wish.

        But *this post* too may interest you. It is a bit personal but it completes the depiction of Anna’s. Bear in mind this type of woman has almost disappeared. And in any case Anna Magnani was a Roman from the slums. My grand mother – born in the Roman slums too – and my mother (not born in the slums) were different and not that crude, altho some traits they surely shared with Anna.
        True Romans (men and women) have a primeval force at times that is fascinating, even tho not always socially acceptable, yes, what else can I say.


        1. To me Anna has Spanish eyes not Roman. It seems she was a natural person with an earthy laugh and men seem to like this.


          1. It may be. We had Spanish rule in parts of this country, Roman-ness being not linked to *a Roman ‘race’ surviving* but being transmitted culturally imo.

            Men found Sofia Loren, Claudia Cardinale or Gina Lollobrigida much more attractive. But Anna seems much more remembered: second top searched term in my blog.

            ‘India’: 21,289 hits
            ‘Anna Magnani’: 6,647 hits

            [A veil will be drawn over the third and fourth search keywords]


  5. MoR, great to see you dive into the deeper conversations… It makes me wonder what if anything changes if a child is brought up by a single parent (as often happens today) vs. a child raised by a man&women or same sex parents. For example: Does a girl raised by a single father show more male characteristics (whatever they may be) or does it not make a difference??


    1. Hi Joe, welcome back!

      Difficile a dirsi (see translation below), non ho esperienza in merito. So di ragazze che in Italia chiamiamo ‘maschiacci’, cioè donne abituate a vivere con i fratelli per esempio: come mia zia, che infatti andava a caccia ed era un’ottima tiratrice e si comportava a volte come un maschio ma non era gay e ha amato un uomo e fatto 3 figli.

      TRANSLATION. Hard for me to say, I got no experience in this regard. I know here in Italy some girls are called ‘maschiacci’ (tomboys?), that is, girls used to live with brothers only for example, like my aunt, who loved to go hunting and was a first-rate shooter. She was not gay though, she loved a man and made 3 kids.

      Moreover it is known that a girl having a close relationship with her father is called a ‘daddy’s girl’. It seems daddy’s girls are more successful in their careers.
      But I’m not sure.

      Grazie di essere tornato Joe.

      Viva la Calabria!


  6. “The motives of women… so inscrutable…. How can you build on such quicksand? Their most trivial actions may mean volumes … their most extraordinary conduct may depend upon a hairpin!” (Sherlock Holmes)

    People, in general, are moody and unpredictable at times, because so many things affect us, from the weather to our blood sugar levels to the position of the moon.

    In addition to those factors that impact men and women alike, women have their monthly cycle going on, which adds one additional mood-altering influence to the mix.

    And the thing is, judging from my private and personal conversations with quite a few women over the years—and if I may be so bold as to draw a tentative conclusion from a sample to the whole—women aren’t exactly trying to downplay the impact of their fluctuating hormones on their moods and behaviors.

    The last time the topic came up in a one-on-one conversation between myself and a woman, her exact quote was, “I’ll love you, and next minute I’ll hate you,” referring to the impact of her cycle on her emotions during certain times of the month.


        1. It was meant to be a pun. But you are wonderfully refined Vienna. You speak German. You are also Pannonia. This to me is a lot, you cannot imagine (I’m even crazier than I look from my blog words, which are crazy enough in any case). Not enough to neglect my non virtual guests tho 🙂


  7. @CyberQuill

    Sherlock Holmes is very right – or so it appears to me who am a man like him (and you.)

    women aren’t exactly trying to downplay the impact of their fluctuating hormones on their moods and behaviors.

    Ah ah ah, bad bad boy you made me laugh.

    The last time the topic came up in a one-on-one conversation between myself and a woman, her exact quote was, “I’ll love you, and next minute I’ll hate you,” referring to the impact of her cycle on her emotions during certain times of the month.

    Vienna, you gave me the laughs of the day, thank you, you are perceptive and probably know women very well. But ‘as a man’.

    [Besides, seriously, reducing women’s whimsicality to their cycle …, altho it may be a factor and saying it all women are great also for their visceral connection to all that is … soil, earth, food, blood, flesh, milk – and ALL the rest they saying ‘mother earth’ not for nothing.]

    But what I mean is that, being us men, if we really had to stick to what your compatriot W said I should not have written this post and you should not have written your comment since: wovon man nicht really sprechen kann – he wrote – darüber muß man after all schweigen.

    [silly show-off of my broken German? in vino veritas 😦 ]

    But it is also true that blogs are blogs we being but able here to define our world thru words mostly – arent’ die Grenzen der Sprache (and hence of blogs) die Grenzen unseren (unserer?) Welt auch? I am defeated by the German Sprache but not humiliated.

    Therefore, if this is true – I am getting confused – that we don’t exactly understand women, and being also true – ‘W’ said that! – that of what we don’t know we have to shut the hell up about, how could we however keep women away from our blogs? Why? On what grounds? Because we don’t understand them? What a frikking LOSS it would be!!

    I btw saw your shooting victims over at your blog. Man, they absolutely killed me. I may not understand women but hell I can surely appreciate them.

    Visually naturally. Since as Paul Costo the sage once said – “if I am on a diet I may however have a look at the menu” 🙂

    I don’t know why I wrote all this. But what is done is done. Good night Vienna.


    1. I’m not very familiar with Herr Wittgenstein, so I don’t know what he may have been referring to. Personally, I don’t see how there should be limits on worüber man sprechen kann.

      And I wasn’t reducing women’s whimsicality to their cycle. We’re all whimsical creatures irrespective of our sex. I did, however, attribute women’s extra whimsicality to their cycle, and in doing so, I’m mainly reporting what I’ve been told in a number of confidential conversations.

      Supposedly, men have a cycle, too, it’s just less intense than the female one. Most men don’t even notice it. I certainly haven’t noticed mine. But you’ll find very few women who’ve never noticed theirs. (I’m talking about the mood fluctuations, not the bleeding.)

      Another difference between men and women lies in preferred methods of pain infliction. When a woman wants to be mean to a man or exert power over him, she is more likely to resort to different methods than a man who wants to hurt or exert power over a woman.

      Due to variations in physiology, raping and beating are weapons more available to men than to women. To compensate for that, women are more prone to lying and backstabbing. In the end, it all evens out. On balance, neither sex is more mean-spirited than the other. It’s just that mean-spiritedness, when present, tends to manifest in different ways depending on sex.

      Of course, I’m referring to overall tendencies only—it’s not like I’ve never gotten beaten by a woman!


      1. @CQuill

        Supposedly, men have a cycle, too, it’s just less intense than the female one.

        What? Are you sure? I didn’t think of it!

        It’s just that mean-spiritedness, when present, tends to manifest in different ways depending on sex …. Of course …referring to overall tendencies only—it’s not like I’ve never gotten beaten by a woman!

        It may sound strange to you, but I have been beaten by women very often (slaps on face mainly, all 5 fingers staying printed for a while).

        It is as if, they being physically weaker – with exceptions Sled – they had the right to use us as their gym toy, slap ball, punch ball – you name it, I lack words.

        My paternal grandma who used to say “le donne non si colpiscono nemmeno con un fiore” (“women should not be hit not even with a flower”) had the eccentric habit of printing her hands on sons’ faces terribly often. Which was of course passed unto my mother. Both wore heavy rings.

        But I was referring to women outside my family.


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